Hopkins And Allen Arms Company Serial Numbers

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Nov 19, 2010  Any close up pictures of the serial number or stamping? From what I've dug up, Hopkins & Allen were only business from about 1868 to 1915. 'Hopkins and Allen Manufacturing Co' was used from 1868 to 1898. 'Hopkins and Allen Arms Co' was used from 1898 to 1915. Hopkins & Allen ARMS Co would be from 1898 to 1915. There is no serial number data for the Company Hopkins and Allen in the private sector available.This firm. Dec 15, 2006  HOPKINS & ALLEN ARMS COMPANY, 1902-1914: SHOTGUNS: SINGLE SHOT H&A produced a 'falling block' shotgun in most gauges circa 1887-early 1900s. Falling Blocks (FBs) in 12 ga. Were built on heavy frames with the 20 and 16 gauges sharing a medium frame. There is no serial number data for the Company Hopkins and Allen in the private sector available.This firm was in business from 1867-1916.No laws required serial numbers at that time,and those. Antique pistol parts only. Cannot be made to fire. Barrel reads Hopkins& Allen Mfg Co. Pat Jan 5 1886 XL Double Action. The serial number was 3127. It is a 32 caliber. 6 shot, large solid frame revolver. The nickel is about 50% It has a 2 1/4' barrel. The bore is decent with good visible rifling, the cylinder advance teeth are still sharp.

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1868 to 1915. Hopkins & Allen was best known for inexpensive pocket revolvers. Firms like H&A, H&R and Iver Johnson have been called “Armorers to the Nation’s Nightstands” in recognition of the common use of their products. At its peak, H&A was one of the largest American firearms manufacturers with production quantities approaching those of firms like Colt and Winchester.When H&A was formed in 1868, it took over production of Bacon Manufacturing Co. revolvers. Later, it acquired other makers such as Davenport Firearms (1901) and Forehand & Wadsworth (1902). The high-quality Merwin Hulbert & Co. (q.v.) revolvers produced in the 1870s and 1880s are usually found marked with the Hopkins & Allen name on the barrels.Trade names used by H&A on revolvers included Acme, Allen 22, American Eagle, Americus, Aristocrat, Black Prince, Blue Jacket, Blue Whistler, Buckeye, Bulldog, Captain Jack, Creedmoor, Czar, Dictator, Double Action No., Dreadnaught, Duchess, Duke, Encore, Essex, Excelsior, Expert, Forehand Model, Hinsdale, Imperial Arms, Life Guard, Metropolitan Police, Monarch, Morley, Mountain Eagle, Non XL, Old Hickory, Pointer, Range Model, Ranger, Red Jacket, Safety Police, Scott, Swamp Angel, Terror, The Challenge, Toledo Firearms, Towers Police Safety, Tramps Terror, Universal, Wolverine, XL, XLCR, and Xpert. Often these guns would not have the H&A name on them. Other firms also used some of these names for their products. Trade names reported on H&A long guns included Chichester, Cannon Breech, Douglas Arms, Dreadnought, King Nitro, KK, Seminole, and Worlds Fair. This is a recently revised and expanded section. Readers with comments and suggestions are invited to contact the editor.
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Post subject: Hopkins & Allen double barrel 12 gauge information?
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Hey folks, I’ve recently acquired a Hopkins & Allen double barrel shotgun and I’m looking for any information that you may be able to share with me about the gun.
I’m not really looking for what the value might be, since it’s a family gun and won’t be going anywhere. I’m mainly just looking for historical type information such as when it was made, model, notable features (if any), interesting facts, etc.
As I said, I’m not all that interested in the value other than if it might be worth enough to insure.
My family history is that of farmers and textile mill workers here in the South (NC, USA), so I’m assuming that this was just your run-of-the-mill hardware store type of gun that the average working man could afford, and doesn’t have all that much collector value.
It was given to me recently by my father, it came to him through his uncle (by marriage), and I believe it came to the uncle from his father, so by that history I’m thinking maybe an early 1900s manufacture date(?).
It’s a double barrel, 12 gauge, with exposed hammers, serial number 303xx, it’s marked on the left side with “Hopkins & Allen Arms Company Norwich, Conn U.S.A.”.
I haven’t measured the barrel length yet, but will do so if that helps to provide any additional information on the gun.
I did read through the FAQs and searched and read a number of threads on H&A guns, but also wanted to post the pics of this gun here in case that might help provide more info.
Thanks in advance for any information you might be able to share with me.
Pictures below, and I can take more if need be. Apologies for not having a good picture with the entire gun visible, I didn't seem to be able to get a good one with the whole gun in the frame.



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Also, is there anywhere that I might be able to get parts for the gun?
The right firing pin is split and although I don't really plan on shooting it I'd like to replace it if possible.
Speaking of firing it, I've read in a few threads that some older guns shouldn't be fired with modern ammo. Would that be the case with this gun?
I shot the gun quite a bit when I was a kid from the mid '70s into the early '80s, but it has probably only been fired a half dozen times in the last 30 years or so.


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H&A closed up by 1915 so it is earlier than that date. There are bunch of models of these H&A hammerguns. I think this is one of the earlier models using the Forehand design.


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Also, is there anywhere that I might be able to get parts for the gun?
The right firing pin is split and although I don't really plan on shooting it I'd like to replace it if possible.

Scott, try Gun Parts Corp. : https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufa .. hotguns-ha
Speaking of firing it, I've read in a few threads that some older guns shouldn't be fired with modern ammo. Would that be the case with this gun?

The chambers are most likely shorter than 2-3/4' and modern pressure shells in these older doubles are prone to break the stocks. RST and PolyWad both mfg 2-1/2' low pressure shells. But you need to have the gun inspected to verify it is safe to shoot. I would also look closely at the barrel for pattern of twist or damascus.
I shot the gun quite a bit when I was a kid from the mid '70s into the early '80s, but it has probably only been fired a half dozen times in the last 30 years or so.

Sometimes we are just lucky.
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John, thanks so much for the replies.
Much appreciated!


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If it means anything, I just measured the barrel length and they are 30'.


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I also received the reply below on my gun, on a different forum and wanted to share it here so that it may help others:
You have a New Forehand No. 0312 Model made in the period 1902-1908. There are no records available to give a more exact date.
Hopkins and Allen Arms Company purchased Forehand Arms Company in 1902 and continued to make some Forehand models under the H & A name.
This shotgun has a case hardened frame with decarbonized steel barrels and checkered walnut forearm and half pistol grip stock. Retail price in 1908 was $15.
This shotgun was proved for smokeless powder. If you are going to use this shotgun, I recommend that you only use target or light field loads and avoid high velocity and 2 3/4' Mangum shells.
You also may want to try the low pressure loads from: http://www.rstshells.com/store/m/2-12-Gauge.aspx
Retail value for a gun in the condition shown would range from $150 to $250 depending on mechanical and bore condition.



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